Ah so your objection to them is their marketing budget?Analog-Umph wrote:^ Yup.
Hmm it seems that the people who defend Arturia plugins always say things like, oh you need to make your patches more interesting. You need to learn synthesis. You need use effects, because analog synths are dull.qube wrote:Also if you can't make them sound interesting then you're not trying, real analog synths generally sound a bit dull on their own anyway, it's only when you start using external FX and compressors that they become exciting, apply the same logic to Arturia then too you get an interesting sound.
I mean, that right there points to them actually not knowing what they are talking about, not the critics.
It's not the synthesis, it's the synth that's the problem. You actually think that people who criticise these synths are beginners to EM and synthesis, I don't think so.
In general, real analog synths don't sound dull and need help to sound good. But when it comes to Arturia's plugins, you need to use eq on all of them.
They just have this, this dumb sound, that doesn't impress in the least bit.
The filters are on all of 'em are atrocious.
You don't need to use any effects on the analogs, that they supposedly emulated, to make them sound great, that stuff is used only for mixing and mastering.
There certainly are very good plugins, brilliant plugins out there.
But when a company goes out of their way to trumpet every single plugin release, stating that they've made the most accurate emulation ever and when they have some of the lousiest most non-helpful support, a dead forum, and an iron will to never listen and act on the good advice of users who've bought their products and who also own the respective hardware, what more is there to say.
Then you have a handful of other companies who don't have the huge marketing that Arturia does, but that make incredible software. The choice is simple.
Infinitely better alternatives to Arturia's: Minimoog, ARP2600, MoogModular and CS80V
are MiniMonsta, TimewARP2600, VAZ Modular and ME80.
'Better' is subjective though, it depends upon the individual. So I don't understand why some people choose to go hating on someone that likes an alternative product. The OP wanted some patches that sound like Jarre for his particular soft-synths, there's no justification to go hating on him just because you prefer different software.
Personally I liked their Moog, 2600, CS80, Mini & the Analog Lab. I didn't get on so much with the Prophet V as I could never get inspired by it, same with the Jupiter, there's nothing essentially wrong with either it's just that I don't get inspired.
But I stick by my comments about FX and processing, if you take say a MiniMoog D and listen to the output without anything added it's very raw and not very musical, add say some chorus and reverb with a bit of delay and it comes alive.
But like with anything it's the composition and creativity of the artist that is the most important component regardless of what else is incorporated, if I hear a great track I'm not really going to care how it was made just that it was.
Incidentally the soft-synths that I go to for inspiration most are Omnisphere, Massive, Absynth, impOSCar, Tassman 4, Modular V & Reaktor.
... That's not "jarre" patch that's just some basic sounds...
These are some really awesome presets there, I guess you didn't listen to Jarre's Oxygène 2 and Equinoxe etc...