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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:39 pm
by Equinoxe
If Jarre is triggering the Digisequencer like he did by hand during the Oxygene tour,why is that considered any less Live than if he brought in another person to play it?

After all the sequences are triggered live and simply played by a Machine either via MIDI or CV,the issue of using Premade Audio backings is a different matter,because If thats his aim then he has no intention of playing Everything Live,which defeats the object of presenting the Music in a Real situation Like he did with the last Tour.
I'm sure his intention of this newer tour is to do exactly the same scenario of live Playing but with the same gear+more digital devices but in the same sense of playing them Live.

I would suspect that after all the concerts he did of Oxygene last year he and the rest of the crew are more than comfortable to do it again but this time presenting Jarre's more prominent songs almost entirely Live,except for a few presequenced parts triggered from the DS

The problem with using Audio backings as he did in the past was to actually use them as if he was playing it,I have no problem with triggering sequences cos its impossible to do everything with limited persons and simply because those sequences he did trigger on the Tour were perhaps a little repetitive and beyond the scope of being able to play note perfect through a whole Track everytime,which is totally understandable

Using Audio backing tracks are fine so long as they are just that and not a safety net for either perfectionism or lack of playing ability,if Jarre wanted to use backings for Drums,because he simply didn't want to use a drummer or get one,so long as he and the others were playing everything else then thats not an issue,I can see perhaps intergrating a drummer into this would cause problems to start with,if any of you have ever played in a Live band for a long time,you get used to each other and after a while the group becomes almost instinctive to each others needs and everyone becomes accustomed to playing in a tight situation,introducing some new member can create dynamic and playing issues until the dust has settled,and more specifically a drummer who would perhaps be more reliant for the groups timing than anyone else,Given the Jarre camp and setup this would need the introduction of a click track and in ear monitors,something Jarre disregarded on the last concert series.

Lets not forget that things can go wrong with sequencers Live too,so human intervention will always supercede the sequencer,like Francis did during Oxygene 5 at one ofthe concerts when I think Jarre said in his blog that the digisequencer failed to start so francis took over to play the bass,I would much prefer to see/Hear that,than simply using Audio to deceive people by miming,Based on that situation,We can clearly see its still as much a Live situation with using minimal sequences from Machines

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:47 pm
by jp8000
If Ethnicolor is meant to be played, I wonder, how the audience will react to that

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:01 pm
by Robi
Well, if...if it is played, then it is epic. Audience will react well i'm sure.

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:20 pm
by Jakob BC
Don't expect Ethnicolor to be played... remember what Francis said about samplers for this tour. Well it's just speculations... we don't know what the performance will be like.

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:33 pm
by GeeJee
Jon wrote:Oh no, not the miming debate again :roll:
I think JP's point is very fair...

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:38 pm
by GeeJee
Jakob BC wrote:Don't expect Ethnicolor to be played... remember what Francis said about samplers for this tour. Well it's just speculations... we don't know what the performance will be like.
I don't think that was FR's point to start with. He just said they don't aim to replace the live choirs/orchestras with samples, but return to the first studio versions and only use choir samples when they are really necessary. Since Ethnicolor is based on samples for a large part, it wouldn't be possible to replace it with anything else except real choirs and that's just what they wanted to avoid in the first place... :punch:

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:27 pm
by Kanta
jp8000 wrote:How many of you are going to read the spoiler thread before going to the concert?

I'm going to ignore the topic, after the tour has been started
I am gonna read it. The surprise will be too much and I need to prepare. :mrgreen:

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:43 pm
by Jakob BC
Ã…rhus is the fourth concert, so I guess I can wait :P

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:18 am
by AnDrOiD
I'm still a bit miffed about the fact that they won't come to Copenhagen. It's a scorn towards the Queen. :punch:

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:01 am
by jeanbatman
Jakob BC wrote:Don't expect Ethnicolor to be played... remember what Francis said about samplers for this tour. Well it's just speculations... we don't know what the performance will be like.
I agree with that point... I don't think Ethnicolor will be played either. The dynamic tracks should be much further chosen into the definitive track-list, even if he may make it evlove during the tour.

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:14 am
by Jakob BC
As always it's hard to say what will be played and what will not. Ethnicolor just seems like a huge arrangement, and not something just for four synthplayers. If they do play it, it's a surprise. It's just one of those tracks that works best as a studio track because it's based to much on thousands of samples here and there.
Well we are different, but a possible disappoinement grows with expectations and too many thought of what the show will be like.

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:27 pm
by Kanta
I am sure I won't be disappointed. :p:
AnDrOiD wrote:I'm still a bit miffed about the fact that they won't come to Copenhagen. It's a scorn towards the Queen. :punch:
Well, if I had a choice they should play in my hometown. 8) I suppose I will have to forgive them as I have to do some travelling. :fine:

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:32 pm
by jeanbatman
What do you think ? Will there be Oxygène 6 or 13 ? There can't be both, in my opinion.

Will we have the chance to see Chronologie 4 on stage again ? Because it has been swept away for so long now, I have serious doubts about it. And I don't know how many hands you need to proceed it.

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:34 pm
by jp8000
jeanbatman wrote:What do you think ? Will there be Oxygène 6 or 13 ? There can't be both, in my opinion.

Will we have the chance to see Chronologie 4 on stage again ? Because it has been swept away for so long now, I have serious doubts about it. And I don't know how many hands you need to proceed it.
Why not?

Last time those songs sat perfectly to the concert program, when I was there (in 1997 tour)

Chrono 4 would be perfect choice, to replace chronologie 6 (although I love that too)

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:15 pm
by Pat1982
This is my favoured tracklist :D:

Rendez-Vous I
Ethnicolor
Magnetic Fields I (China '81 version)
Equinoxe 7
Zoolookologie
Chronologie 2
Geometry of Love
Oxygene 4 (PLD version)
Equinoxe 5
Equinoxe 4
Magnetic Fields II (PLD version)
Calypso 2
Magnetic Fields IV
Rendez-Vous III
Industrial Revolutions
Rendez-Vous II
Rendez-Vous IV
Chronologie 4
Souvenir of China (as encore)