Blah Blah Cafe, the Jean-Michel Jarre forum

[BnM]

Various hearsay, rumours etc gets thrown round various forums.
Hence this kind of stuff to be taken lightly until clear evidence / facts provided,
whether the news is from GJ or someone else.

In any case there's often more than one side to an event.

(p.s. any one who deliberately harms hamsters etc should be neutered ... or similar ).

[GeeJee]

Hey dudes,

1 - Which polish girl?

She goes by the name of 'Agnes' (don't know if this is only a nick or a real name)(and I prefered to not mention any names at first. that's why)

Please shed some REAL light with REAL facts because polish forum moderators are getting a bad name... so, using all words, who (name) did what (really) and where's that video at? (the ISP is charged too... usually, and usually... first).

If polish moderators get a bad name of this - then you have a generalisation problem somewhere. If I say 'a french guy committed a crime' - does that make all french people bad? No. So that was pointless. I don't know where the video is but I seriously feel sorry you don't take serious what I say. I only posted it here because I felt sorry for the polish people, who considered her as a friend and never would've expected her to do anything like that.

And who is "our polish girl" BTW?

Ronja.

Thanks. Carefull with rumors. And use brains - you don't get arrested that fast for little things, and it's sad, but mistreating hamsters (or ants for that matter) does not get you arrested as far as I know - but it should, in most cases (the sadistic ones, at least)...

This is no rumour, she was actually arrested. I only tell in here what I know - and then you tell me to use my brains?

They did mistreat hamsters in a very cruel way, taped it on video, used JM's music as 'soundtrack' and god knows what they did with it...

Comparing it with killing ants doesn't make sense, cause you slap them into the walhalla with one single hit, and those poor animals were tossed around with quite a bit longer. It's not about royalties when I talk about JMJ's music being used (doh!)- it's just that I feel horrible when JM's music is used for this purpose, when it's connected to abusing animals.

And I must say I feel quite offended. Is it that hard to take this seriously?
Since when do I have to defend myself for showing compassion?

[GeeJee]

Hence this kind of stuff to be taken lightly until clear evidence / facts provided,
whether the news is from GJ or someone else.

Do we need an official police statement or something?

[elee]

This girl is not a moderator of our forum... She WAS moderator on www.jarromaniacy.pl/forum but after all the Administrator of that forum banned her, just like we (she was only our member). Anyway, she was making movies with her boyfriend. She was hanging camera, her boyfriend was killing hamsters. I know that he is arrested, but she is not, anyway, she will have trial. She is also member of Space Of Freedom and she was quite intersting member on Jarrenet (RIP). I think she was the most spamming girl from Poland there, it's hard to forget her. Anyway, geejee told the truth. But one thing that he could be misunderstanding is that she is moderator from JMJ forum... but not our...

[GeeJee]

So there is your confirmation.

[elee]

Here is link to the article on the Police website: http://www.policja.pl/index.php?dzial=1&id=3106 . You will ask why we know that it is boyfriend of this girl (on forum she had nick "Agnes" and her boyfriend was "SKR")... She said about arresting her boyfriend on forum where she was moderator (jarromaniacy.pl/forum). She said that her boyfriend had been arested becouse he upload films with killing hamsters by rats. The same day we heard about this fact in News in Polish TV. It's quite loud case in Poland. In News it was said, that this man was klilling hamsters and his girlfriend was hanging camcorder... Then we read her words in old topic about animals where everyone could show his pets. She said, that she bought another hamster (I don't know how many she had it) , becouse last had died. After it, few days later, she said that he had rats and rats were much better than hamsters... My God, what a sick people... In TV was said that girl had 17 years old (like Agnes), on the film which they made was played Aerozone ... We connect all this facts and we realize what kind of person is this girl :/. We also send her posts to the police, it could be help in punishment her. Anyway, the worst thing is that she don't realize that she and her boyfriend did something wrong . She has ban from our community FOREVER .

[Finaero]

Sick stuff, yeah.

Yet KGP omg KGB lol =p

[elee]

KGP menas Komenda Głowna Polcji . Headquarters of the Police .

[Christophe]

Really sick persons!!!

Greetzzz...

[Ronja]

I was shocked when I found out about that...the girl presented strange views in some areas before, but it just seemed to me that she's easy to be influenced, her words sounded like repeated, not thought on her own (and that was about other things than attitude to animals).

We all think 'sick"...but I also wonder, why has she became so? Except severe mind ilnesses nobody is so cruel "just for fun". There's quite a common machanism - starting with the animals, which are can't defend themselves, then weak schoolmates...because? Because somebody taught his/her so. Because he wants to feel the power too...


Well, maybe I misunderstood something, but I had impression that some people thought about me when reading topic of this thread? It wasn't nice


And after all I don't understand what it does all have to do with the fact she was a JMJ's fan. Listening to his music doesn't make you saint, come on...it could be Madonna's, Iglesias' or even classic music fan.

You can sing in church choir and be a psychopath...

[Jarp2600]

I really didn't think about you, Ronja! I know you will never do such things.

[Velodynamic]

A Swedish news paper "Aftonbladet" also wrote about this.
"He was hanging the Hamsters"
A 20 year old guy named Adam D, a member of an entire network of animal tormenters, was tourturing hamsters because he wanted people to have rats instead. "Rats is the ruling rase", he says. "I hate hamsters and they must be exterminated by all means."

Well...that's some of the article (without all the details about the treatment to the small, poor creatures) but thanks god, not a word about JMJ's music on that video.
I think that there can be some serious trouble behind all this, triggering this behaviour. I think we all do some screw up things in this age and I'm not crazy about neither rats or hamsters but to me this is a smaller form of nazism. I don't think "normal" people are behaving like this wich make me wonder if this guy are going thrue some tragedy of some kind, maybe even child abuse, that makes him do this?
In that case all I feel about them is sorrow.
If they simply were doing this just as an obsession, well the word mentaly ill or distorted is very close to hand.
You just don't know and that's my guess...

[Mogan]

Some people are just really nuts!

[GeeJee]

Well, maybe I misunderstood something, but I had impression that some people thought about me when reading topic of this thread? It wasn't nice

I can imagine, that's why I freaked out - it was just one person who misread and misinterpretated my words, could've happened to anyone

And after all I don't understand what it does all have to do with the fact she was a JMJ's fan. Listening to his music doesn't make you saint, come on...it could be Madonna's, Iglesias' or even classic music fan.

You can sing in church choir and be a psychopath...

The point is, when you see the music you like very much connected with such events, you may dislike the events or people involved even more.. at least I do...

As about your first point about her behaviour: she is always resonsible for what she does, no matter what happened to her in the past!

[Livgivare]

It is strange how people say that music creates bad people, and that we all think that just because we listen to the music we like we are among nice people. Come on. Elvis-fans are not only people that believes in the fact that Elvis is alive and that some of the people still believe that his music is part of a naughty big plan to make everyone have sex. (That was the thought in the 1950ies).

All Jarre-fans are not smart people that are arty and understand every tiny bit of his music.

We are well over 6 bilion people on this small planet and some of us are really really sick in our heads. And what music we listen to just reflects a part of our personality. Like the paint on a real big house that is how huge the music is in creating who you are. You still have rooms to fill up and a garden to take care of.

About hamsters, I have never had one and I think they are somewhat cute. I think that they can be good pets but I doubt that they are better or worse then any other pet. It is all in your taste. I have Rats as pets and they are really cute, and they alsocan be a big pain in the button when you can't sleap due to their fights in the cage.

this girl I do not know anything about. I do wish with all my heart that she will get help if she needs to sort things out from her childhood or something like that. Or that she get rid of her boyfriend if he is creating a bad influence over her. But this is just general things to say to anyone that might be in a bit of trouble at the moment!

Love Leelene