Essentials & Rarities


Post Posted Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:26 pm
Jon
User avatar
Posts: 2285
Location: (UK) On the toilet reading a newspaper

The wooden ruler twang on the edge of a table was something most of us use to do at school in the old days. . .


Image
Jarre concerts attended - Destination Docklands 1988 - Paris La Defense 1990 - Europe In Concert 1993 (Manchester & London) - Oxygene Tour 1997 (Birmingham)

"A group of men and woman entered the laboratory one month ago to live in a smell free world. Body odour, sweaty arms pits and smelly feet are to create the energy to survive. A total mystery surrounds this experiment, and it's project code name: B.O and Smell'i "
Post Posted Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:29 pm
Pat Gleeson
Posts: 762
Location: Limerick, Ireland
Likes given: 599
Likes received  : 47

Courtesy Highlander on tubular.net

Loudness War
Concerts attended:
Destination Docklands 1988
Paris la Defense 1990
Europe in Concert - Wembley Stadium 1993
Oxygene Tour - Wembley Arena 1997
Theatre Marigny Paris 2007
Oxygene Tour - NCH Dublin 2008
2010 Tour - The 02 Dublin The 02 London (10-10-10)
Electronica Tour - 3Arena Dublin 2016
Post Posted Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:29 pm
shadow
User avatar
Posts: 1740
Likes received  : 79

Loudness war is anything but dead, the Essentials sounded godawfull pushed over the Max, and the Rarities, well we don't have anything we can really compare it to :(
Just got my Live in Gdansk CD, and that CD was aldo pushed to the absolute Max volume wise... Hell Light My Sky has clearly been pushed over the limit, the DVD oddly enough will give you a better sound quality when it comes to volume :roll:

Anyway...
Aha... Such a thing :P

Image

Gotta try hitting my desk with it, always got it besides me... Maybe manage to get the same sound (yeah right, but it's worth a try :P )
27-11-10: Ahoy Rotterdam
22-11-16: Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam
01-07-25: Palais royal de Bruxelles/Paleizen Plein Brussel
Post Posted Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:20 pm
Velodynamic
User avatar
Posts: 3472
Location: Sweden, far north
Likes given: 1
Likes received  : 2

shadow wrote: and the Rarities, well we don't have anything we can really compare it to :(
No? :P

http://www.jarrography.free.fr/details.php?id_media=642

Btw is there some way to compare vinyl with CD in this case or is "distortion" more or less a part of the characteristic vinyl sound?
You should at least be able to compare the LP with the older LP's shouldn't you?
"The worst thing in any form of art is to be betrayed by your own habits."
- JEAN MICHEL JARRE
Post Posted Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:36 pm
shadow
User avatar
Posts: 1740
Likes received  : 79

Velodynamic wrote:
shadow wrote: and the Rarities, well we don't have anything we can really compare it to :(
No? :P

http://www.jarrography.free.fr/details.php?id_media=642
No unless a extremely shitty Vinyl recording is your ideal way of comparing these different pieces :punch:
Velodynamic wrote:Btw is there some way to compare vinyl with CD in this case or is "distortion" more or less a part of the characteristic vinyl sound?
You should at least be able to compare the LP with the older LP's shouldn't you?
Ofcourse you can if you use two different Vinyl records on the same player, but the problem with comparing a Vinyl to a CD is that every single needle will give the sound reproduction it's own "feeling", it will never really sound the same... You can, but it's a somewhat unfair thing to do....
27-11-10: Ahoy Rotterdam
22-11-16: Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam
01-07-25: Palais royal de Bruxelles/Paleizen Plein Brussel
Post Posted Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:38 pm
Velodynamic
User avatar
Posts: 3472
Location: Sweden, far north
Likes given: 1
Likes received  : 2

shadow wrote:
Velodynamic wrote:
shadow wrote: and the Rarities, well we don't have anything we can really compare it to :(
No? :P

http://www.jarrography.free.fr/details.php?id_media=642
No unless a extremely shitty Vinyl recording is your ideal way of comparing these different pieces :punch:
Velodynamic wrote:Btw is there some way to compare vinyl with CD in this case or is "distortion" more or less a part of the characteristic vinyl sound?
You should at least be able to compare the LP with the older LP's shouldn't you?
Ofcourse you can if you use two different Vinyl records on the same player, but the problem with comparing a Vinyl to a CD is that every single needle will give the sound reproduction it's own "feeling", it will never really sound the same... You can, but it's a somewhat unfair thing to do....
Ok, me thinking too fast. :)
Yes I guess you can say that the new official Rarities CD counts as the new reference.
"The worst thing in any form of art is to be betrayed by your own habits."
- JEAN MICHEL JARRE
Post Posted Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:35 pm
shadow
User avatar
Posts: 1740
Likes received  : 79

Well atleast we can assume that the other re-releases of some of those tracks will atleast sound a hell of alot better... They atleast can't get worse :punch:
27-11-10: Ahoy Rotterdam
22-11-16: Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam
01-07-25: Palais royal de Bruxelles/Paleizen Plein Brussel
Post Posted Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:10 am
AnDrOiD
User avatar
Posts: 4387
Location: Planet Tellus

thhedk wrote:
Pat Gleeson wrote:'Happiness' is one of the best examples of Musique Concrete / atonal style I've ever heard. The other tracks are a range of styles that JMJ employed to provide soundtracks, one-off singles etc. This all culminated into Oxygene and the rest is history. To each their own, but calling JMJ's experimental music 'crap' because one doesn't like the genre is a bit harsh IMO.
I can't find ANYTHING in those tracks, saying "Jarre", and anything sounding like the start of Oxygene and forward.
If any other than Jarre made this album, you guys would call it rubbish.
I agree! :nod: Musique Concrete... what a fancy word for such rubbish noise. :punch:

Before the Internet, I was happily unaware of Jarre's projects before Oxygene. :lol:
SOUNDCLOUD
Rhythmus muss sein!

"20 years ago we had computers in the studios. Now we have studios in the computers" - Michel Moers.
Post Posted Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:35 am
shadow
User avatar
Posts: 1740
Likes received  : 79

Thank god I grew up in the Internet Day and Age :nod:

And calling Musique Concrete noise is not really fair, if you like it that's fine, but it's still a genre of it's own... Although it's very abscure and not really my thing, I can atleast appriciate it for the amount of trouble people had to go through in order to make such a recording (Tape, Siccors and stuff...) :)
27-11-10: Ahoy Rotterdam
22-11-16: Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam
01-07-25: Palais royal de Bruxelles/Paleizen Plein Brussel
Post Posted Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:40 pm
Dr_Jones
User avatar
Posts: 4848
Location: Leiden, Netherlands
Likes given: 421
Likes received  : 582

shadow wrote:And calling Musique Concrete noise is not really fair, if you like it that's fine, but it's still a genre of it's own... Although it's very abscure and not really my thing, I can atleast appriciate it for the amount of trouble people had to go through in order to make such a recording (Tape, Siccors and stuff...) :)
Exactly. We must not forget music is an art form and in art it is possible to do something outside of the box. Jean Michel often refers to his music as painting and it's not without reason. Art should stir emotions and if we look at an abstract painting from Appel or Mondriaan art doesn't need to represent something in the real life, something we're used to. I didn't understand Mondriaan, until someone explained what he was trying to do. This changed my perspective of abstract painting entirely.

This could also be said about the Musique Concrete, where the sound is more important than the music. What can you do with the sound of a coin rolling on a table? What happens if we play this backwards. What kind of emotions can be evoked? Miss Moon on the Metamorphoses album is a perfect example of Jarre's earliest experiments: using the sound of a waterhose as a piece of rhythm. Erosmachine's rhythm noise took a long time to create, but it works so well in Chronologie 2. In the light of Jarre's earlier work, Zoolook might be the album which is the closest to what he did at the GRM, I believe it was Jarre himself who said that.

And on a final note: let's not forget that Rendez-Vous 2, Rendez-Vous 3 and Equinoxe 5 all were composed before Oxygene came out ;-)
Post Posted Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:28 pm
thhedk
Posts: 162

Dr_Jones wrote: And on a final note: let's not forget that Rendez-Vous 2, Rendez-Vous 3 and Equinoxe 5 all were composed before Oxygene came out ;-)
I once heard Rendez2 and 3 in some old Jarre work, but Equinoxe 5??? Can you be more precise?
Post Posted Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:45 pm
shadow
User avatar
Posts: 1740
Likes received  : 79

There's somewhere a link to a piece which sounds very different from the final version, but it's clearly the same composition :)

Found it after very quick search... Here you go :)

I really hope Jarre someday decides to release that version of Equinoxe Part 5... I dig it :nod:
27-11-10: Ahoy Rotterdam
22-11-16: Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam
01-07-25: Palais royal de Bruxelles/Paleizen Plein Brussel
Post Posted Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:54 pm
AnDrOiD
User avatar
Posts: 4387
Location: Planet Tellus

shadow wrote:There's somewhere a link to a piece which sounds very different from the final version, but it's clearly the same composition :)

Found it after very quick search... Here you go :)

I really hope Jarre someday decides to release that version of Equinoxe Part 5... I dig it :nod:
Well, I'm glad that was not the final version. I guess I (we?) can all thank Michel Geiss for that? :punch: :robertdugenou:
SOUNDCLOUD
Rhythmus muss sein!

"20 years ago we had computers in the studios. Now we have studios in the computers" - Michel Moers.
Post Posted Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:27 am
Velodynamic
User avatar
Posts: 3472
Location: Sweden, far north
Likes given: 1
Likes received  : 2

shadow wrote:There's somewhere a link to a piece which sounds very different from the final version, but it's clearly the same composition :)

Found it after very quick search... Here you go :)

I really hope Jarre someday decides to release that version of Equinoxe Part 5... I dig it :nod:
Tell me that wasn't a telecaster and a cat on drugs. :pwned:

Ok look I know it's easy to call those old pieces "rubbish" and what not?
But it's easy to forget that infact it was the dawn of age for electronic music to actually start evolving into the pop culture for real and Jarre was one of the pioneers that tried his best to create something different from others and try something more "alive" with playful characteristics rather then with machines stamping out the same patterns over and over again. What was the choice back then if you wanted to try some new electronic sounds and step aside from the mainstream? They had to use available "tools" and perhaps something in the neighbourhood of the fashion style at that time. It may sound crappy today just because artists like JMJ among others added the first pieces to the puzzle wich has formed the musical standards of all kinds of electronic music where it is today or has been for the last what...10-15-25 years? :oldman: :)
"The worst thing in any form of art is to be betrayed by your own habits."
- JEAN MICHEL JARRE
Post Posted Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:43 am
Dr_Jones
User avatar
Posts: 4848
Location: Leiden, Netherlands
Likes given: 421
Likes received  : 582

thhedk wrote:
shadow wrote:There's somewhere a link to a piece which sounds very different from the final version, but it's clearly the same composition :)

Found it after very quick search... Here you go :)

I really hope Jarre someday decides to release that version of Equinoxe Part 5... I dig it :nod:
Wow, this is more interesting than all the noise.
Where and when is this from?
Here is more info: http://www.zoolook.nl/forum/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0 if you want to discuss Equinoxe 5. This is about the E&R release.







    • 2020 Zoolook.nl
    Powered by phpBB forum software