PHASEREFFECT wrote:My opinion is not a reason to insult me, my friend! Generally i don´t like DSP-driven Synthesizers, whether called Triton/MS2000/Radias or Linux-based machines like the OASYS. According to my opinion it is not art to program different modules into a DSP and then to say: "We invented somewhat new ", only because the DSP´s are getting faster and faster to allow more complex sound structures and more polyphony!! I´m -very- sorry that i don´t own a music store, where i´m able to buy each month a Korg/whatever at purchase price and test each function/sound of their devices. I can say from my side: I´ve owned the MS2000 (which uses the concept of the 1st series flop-OASYS), DSS-1 (where Roland also released in 1986, the S-10 and the S-50-Series, the DSS was -not- the only "Home"-Sampler on the market at this time), two Polysix, the Poly-800 and one EX-8000 and noone of them didn´t convinced me at all! Nowadays one can take a PC with Linux and some Softsynths and is thereby (both concerning the price and from the possibilities seen) probably still better served as with a DSP/"Linux-Synthesizer"! And that not since yesterday! And not everyone has the complete KORG product line at home, only because the own purse is too fat and must be emptied somehow! There are also enough roland/korg devices, which sounds sh*t/incompatible among themselves.
I´ve seen with the eyes of a "normal consumer":
- Oasys (PCI) 1st generation: Flop
- Oasys 2nd Generation: Way too expensive
- MS2000 : Flop (in order to use the remainders, came the MicroKorg on the market)
- Legacy Pack: Flop (even the €199-"sell-out" offers are not sold)
About the M1-"impact": Roland built the JW-50, -i- don´t know why it wasn´t sucessfull (maybe it´s like Windows<=>Linux, as it seems is something automatically good, because it is used by much People)
Do what you want, call me stupid, improbably, crazy or whatever else ( as long as you have fun to do so), but i don´t buy anymore something from KORG. I find the concept, to plug the ulta-possible into a crate, simply only sick (in this connection however nearly all possible manufacturers give themselves "the handle to the hand"). And that i´m not able to buy a OASYS/whatever must be also clear.
Stef
BTW: From where do the sale values come from? From KORG itself?
In no way did i insult you!!!Im just pointing out that what you see in your eyes is not a true reflection on what is fact,you see modernisation of a corporation as repackaged ideas,when in light isnt that all that every manufacturer does..
Korg rebranding the old Digital machines is not a ploy to reinvent the wheel,they merely take a venture into what is becoming common place in many studios nowadays,in that utilising the software market,they see there position in hardware as a prime position but also because of feedback into customer relations decided on software versions of popular machines because more and more users were becoming interested in the software approach,not because they thought they could jump on the bandwagon,infact Korg were going to avoid the whole Software market totally according to the Chairman of Korg JP,he found the idea revolting to try to replace classics with software alternatives,in the end they bowed to pressure and decided on such a device.
The Legacy Bundle is now at a reduced price due to EU directives on recycling issues to do with some of the compononents used in the Mini MS controllor thats why Korg have decided to leave it out of the newer digital edition,they have had to reduce the price in order to help clear up stocks,which is the same with the Next generation of Electribes you can now buy the ER/EA at a silly price.If people are not buying them at that price i would only assume that all those who were interested in it have already bought them previously,the Legacy Digital edition is fast becoming a popular stand alone VST
The original OASYS was not "A flop" it was merely too far ahead of the game at the time and was not well received,because it didnt fit into the generation of Musicial ideas at the time but if you look around now people are after those original PCI based cards because of the fallout of such technology,the original concept has sold well in terms of watered down technology when you look at all the devices that are a product of it,everything from the Trinity to the Triton and everything in between,even the Electribes and MS are part of that concept
The second generation is not "too expensive",when you consider that a filtered version of such technology the "trinity" fully loaded would have cost you on release some mere £3K back in 95 ,would equate to todays monetary terms,about the cost of the New "real" Oasys machine,and at that you get the Full technology not a compacted oasys to reduce costs..
If you bought the same hardware setup with the same amount of processing tools it would probably cost you just as much.Oasys is there to meld it into one machine with less distractions,but Korg havent built this device on the premise it will sell "50,000 units this machine is a product that took 12 years in the making so they can hardly say its there to make them the leader it could have been born at any time in those last years,if you read the literature that Korg released with the Showcase of the oasys you'll see that they felt the time was right to conceive it its real form,not because the price was right,but they finally found it was right time,its not aimed at your average Joe,so korg know it won't be a commercial success if that was the intention I doubt they would have made it at all
with any machine thats released there will always be people who will say,"Yes its what i need but its just too expensive for me"
well korg aim to make those things more affordable to the average joe by releasing cut down versions,llike the MS2K>MK it happens across the board Triton>>Triton Le,manufacture only tend to build initial units them use a supply and demand method so there not stuck with a shit load of units they cant sell,
The sales figure are not from Korg directly these are from various Music manufacturers Journalism,both from several books i have that list sales figures for the most popular synths across history,Korg will give you some literature with sales tags,but dont think there biased cos there not.