Blah Blah Cafe, the Jean-Michel Jarre forum

[matt222]

Hi,

Here's a question for those with sharp ears.

On the original Equinoxe 5, there are some odd bass notes (?) that starty at 02.38.

What's happening there, are they flourishes in the bass sequence or over-dubs from another sound?

I have programmed them into my bass line starting at 00.09.
http://www.mediafire.com/?3upe5517p4w1w54

[chrisbern]

Interseting! It sound very strange.
I guess this are few last notes fom this arpeggio (from up to down) but dry - without delay. Maybe JMJ haf cut this moment and couldn't "erase" this arrpegio notes.

Your remake of this "something" sounds good, but You could make cutoff lowe. It must sound more round.

[matt222]

Yeah, I thought the arppegio but can't for the life of me, figure out the notation ????

Anyone else shed any light on these perplexing notes?

[radek tymecki]

seems like last notes of arpeggio. maybe jmj added em coz it sounded more interesting? there are many "tape bugs" in bass sequences and other ones. for example in eq7

http://jeanmicheljarre.pl/radek/samples/eq7ref_bass.mp3

[Beelooo]

I totally agree about some "queue" of the arpeggio, after earing the kind of sounds, i'm sure it's the same.

But i don't think he just "forgot" it just right here and did'nt erase it ; for me it's more an addition, as you can't find it on the Mazur Mix.

Fore the note themselves, hope this helps !

[radek tymecki]

link doesn't work

[Beelooo]

link doesn't work

Now it's better, nothing extraordinary, just reduce speed, enlarge stereo field and boost the "strange bass notes" areas

[matt222]

Thanks and yes, I have tried this method but STILL can't get those notes???????????

Whats the Mazur mix?

[Beelooo]

Thanks and yes, I have tried this method but STILL can't get those notes???????????

Whats the Mazur mix?

Mazur Mix ? This is it !
You'll found it on some LP, but I'm not really a specialist on LP version. I got one explemplary when i have the surprise to found it.
Sorry for the poor quality, BTW if anyone has a better record, please share.... !!!

I search and find the topic open before, but all links a broken now...snif

https://www.zoolook.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2273&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

[matt222]

Thanks Beeloo, thought that's what you meant. Yes, I have that album and it's the same as on the China video. Eminent strings very high in mix and one or two sounds missing.

I have tried the notes as I can figure them out on the arpeggio sound but it sounds naff. I will, for the time being, keep it in the bass sound I think.

I am waiting with enthusiasm to hear anything you have done on Equinoxe 5 Beeloo....?

[VinceBlood]

Wow, never realized that there were theses stranges sounds.

Remembering Michel Geiss comments about Equinoxe recording, I have this supposition :
Differences of Equinoxe 5 versions was probably due to Dolby and No Dolby mixes. Michel Geiss certifies that is NO differents mixes of Equinoxe tracks.

For the story, when testing the sound of Equinoxe 5 on cassette in his car, Michel Geiss realized that sound was better without Dolby. I can imagine, that several versions on Cassettes and LPs was with Dolby, whereas next LP album was without Dolby. Not sure, but I suppose.

Dolby A or B is system that reduces noise and so makes a better signal/noise ratio on analog medias (tapes, cassettes and vinyls). Revox B77 includes Dolby system.

[Beelooo]

Wow, never realized that there were theses stranges sounds.

Remembering Michel Geiss comments about Equinoxe recording, I have this supposition :
Differences of Equinoxe 5 versions was probably due to Dolby and No Dolby mixes. Michel Geiss certifies that is NO different mixes of Equinoxe tracks.

For the story, when testing the sound of Equinoxe 5 on cassette in his car, Michel Geiss realized that sound was better without Dolby. I can imagine, that several versions on Cassettes and LPs was with Dolby, whereas next LP album was without Dolby. Not sure, but I suppose.

Dolby A or B is system that reduces noise and so makes a better signal/noise ratio on analog medias (tapes, cassettes and vinyls). Revox B77 includes Dolby system.

Has you said, Dolby is a noise reduction system, not a "generator of what wasn't here before or was very down in the mix".

When you ear the Mazur Mix, expect the fact that the quality is poor, you can clearly ear The eminent is louder, there are some extra gimmiks etc....

but it's an interesting thing to now that there were with/wthout Dolbly records

@Matt=> My Equinoxe 5-6-7 version are in standby for now, i have to replace all my eminent sounds with Cromina plugin, and use my new minipop VST which definitly beat the drums i've already makes

[matt222]

Yes, when you slow down the sound, it seems as if it could be part of the bass itself, yet it is not there on the mazur mix where the bass sounds normal.

Intriguing this .

[VinceBlood]

Has you said, Dolby is a noise reduction system, not a "generator of what wasn't here before or was very down in the mix".

When you ear the Mazur Mix, expect the fact that the quality is poor, you can clearly ear The eminent is louder, there are some extra gimmiks etc....

but it's an interesting thing to now that there were with/wthout Dolbly records

It is an enigmatic thing, I have one of the first Test Tape recording of Equinoxe 5 that sounds almost same that your LP mix. Michel Geiss said and re-said, I worked on the album and I can say that there is only one mix of Equinoxe.
I don't know how the single has been recorded, maybe a bug affected the multi-track recording when making pressing.

Just a thing about storm at begining of Equinoxe 5, Jarre and Geiss a Vinyl FX that contains storm sounds.

[Beelooo]

Has you said, Dolby is a noise reduction system, not a "generator of what wasn't here before or was very down in the mix".

When you ear the Mazur Mix, expect the fact that the quality is poor, you can clearly ear The eminent is louder, there are some extra gimmiks etc....

but it's an interesting thing to now that there were with/wthout Dolbly records

It is an enigmatic thing, I have one of the first Test Tape recording of Equinoxe 5 that sounds almost same that your LP mix. Michel Geiss said and re-said, I worked on the album and I can say that there is only one mix of Equinoxe.
I don't know how the single has been recorded, maybe a bug affected the multi-track recording when making pressing.

Just a thing about storm at begining of Equinoxe 5, Jarre and Geiss a Vinyl FX that contains storm sounds.

Very strange....but if Michel Geiss say it, so why wouldn't it be true....

Technicalyy, i don't see how Dolbly could afect the 2 different mix i know of equinoxe 5, there is certainly something that i've missed