Blah Blah Cafe, the Jean-Michel Jarre forum

[matt1314]

Hello guys,

I found this forum, while I was searching in Google for some Arturia Jarre Presets. I own all six VST instruments by Arturia (Minimoog V, Jupiter-8 V, CS-80 V, ARP 2600 V, Prophet V, Moog Modular V) and I wanted to ask you guys, if anyone of you still has any Jarre presets for these VST instruments. I found this topic before, but all links were dead, so if anyone could help me out, it'd be very great.

Thanks in advance.

[Blatman]

It could be very nice to upload the preset again

[matt1314]

So, anyone please? Isn't there any kind soul out there to share some patches with us?

[Analog-Umph]

Since you guys look like you're in need of some help, I couldn't resist.

Firstly: Jarre has never made patches for any software synthesizer, that he made available to the public.
In connection with Arturia, you must be thinking of Michel Geiss. He did patches for the Moog Modular. Nothing fancy, pretty standard stuff.

Secondly: Jarre did recently provide samples of his VCS3, for an expansion pack for Spectrasonic's flagship synth/rompler Omnisphere. But what he provided is run of the mill type stuff like filter sweeps.

Thirdly, Arturia's synths are probably the worst choice of software synthesizers you could have chosen, since their emulation algos are for the most part, disappointing. In short they made their synths sound somewhat like their purported hardware counterparts, but at the same time they also made all of their synths sound like a block of wood. Very samey, very dull, very meager, non-agressive and even annoying.
Generally speaking, they are under par. You could have chosen better, by studying what people say across music forums and elsewhere. And not buying into Arturia's marketing or their attractive bundle deals.

Now, what type of Jarre patches are you looking for specifically, because there are a lot, made by a lot of people, on a lot of different synthesizers, both hardware and software across many years.

[matt1314]

First off, I didn't ask for Jarre patches personally made by himself, I know that he didn't make any.
And in my opinion the Arturia instruments are pretty well made and I don't think they're so horrible as many people say, they sound pretty good to me.

I'm looking for software patches (for Arturia instruments) from dfferent users, like from this topic, like Equinoxe 7 bass, Equinoxe 4 and Oxygene 4 sequences, Oxygene 2 flute lead, maybe some other basses (like Chronologie 6) and possibly some others, so as many as there were made. Personally, I've never been able to create my own ones, that's why I'm asking. As I said, my search on Google wasn't successful at all.

[Analog-Umph]

First off, I didn't ask for Jarre patches personally made by himself, I know that he didn't make any.

You didn't exactly make it clear in you OP did you.

And in my opinion the Arturia instruments are pretty well made and I don't think they're so horrible as many people say, they sound pretty good to me.

You'll learn in life that opinion doesn't count, facts do.

I'm looking for software patches (for Arturia instruments) from dfferent users, like from this topic, like Equinoxe 7 bass, Equinoxe 4 and Oxygene 4 sequences, Oxygene 2 flute lead, maybe some other basses (like Chronologie 6) and possibly some others, so as many as there were made. Personally, I've never been able to create my own ones, that's why I'm asking. As I said, my search on Google wasn't successful at all.

Why don't you start with these: http://www.mediafire.com/?hyekb9d79k4csjt

You better get synthesizing though, stable of the genre and all.

[matt1314]

You didn't exactly make it clear in you OP did you.

I thought that would be obvious.

Anyway, thanks for the bank! Where did you get it from? Or did you create it?

[AnDrOiD]

And in my opinion the Arturia instruments are pretty well made and I don't think they're so horrible as many people say, they sound pretty good to me.

You'll learn in life that opinion doesn't count, facts do.

[Analog-Umph]

You didn't exactly make it clear in you OP did you.

I thought that would be obvious.

Anyway, thanks for the bank! Where did you get it from? Or did you create it?

A friend created the original 2 presets. I edited them slightly, thus creating the rest.
But gave up working with that synth very quickly, moved onto something else, for above stated reasons, to create more satisfying work.

On one level you are right, on another you are completely wrong.
Oh yes and the obligatory emoticon:

[qube]

Some folk love to moan about Arturia (it's a similar sort to folk that moan about Apple). I use their V Collection, other than a few stability issues with the Arp 2600 I think it's good.

Are they 100% identical to the systems they emulate, no, but then to buy the originals these days would cost about £80,000 (ignoring the fact you can have multiple instances of each) so I'm happy to make the compromise. Also given the expense of the hardware, few people will ever get to play on them to make the comparison anyway.

In addition it's not like there are 'V-Collections' from other manufacturers that you can compare them to, there's the MiniMonsta and Tassman which are very good but other than that you're a little stuck for analog emulation.

Also if you can't make them sound interesting then you're not trying, real analog synths generally sound a bit dull on their own anyway, it's only when you start using external FX and compressors that they become exciting, apply the same logic to Arturia then too you get an interesting sound.

[computerhythm]

Thirdly, Arturia's synths are probably the worst choice of software synthesizers you could have chosen, since their emulation algos are for the most part, disappointing. In short they made their synths sound somewhat like their purported hardware counterparts, but at the same time they also made all of their synths sound like a block of wood. Very samey, very dull, very meager, non-agressive and even annoying.

And I used to think I was the only one to think this way.

These plug-ins look great on a flatscreen monitor, that´s for certain.

Stephen

[Analog-Umph]

^ Yup.

Also if you can't make them sound interesting then you're not trying, real analog synths generally sound a bit dull on their own anyway, it's only when you start using external FX and compressors that they become exciting, apply the same logic to Arturia then too you get an interesting sound.

Hmm it seems that the people who defend Arturia plugins always say things like, oh you need to make your patches more interesting. You need to learn synthesis. You need use effects, because analog synths are dull.

I mean, that right there points to them actually not knowing what they are talking about, not the critics.

It's not the synthesis, it's the synth that's the problem. You actually think that people who criticise these synths are beginners to EM and synthesis, I don't think so.
In general, real analog synths don't sound dull and need help to sound good. But when it comes to Arturia's plugins, you need to use eq on all of them.
They just have this, this dumb sound, that doesn't impress in the least bit.
The filters are on all of 'em are atrocious.

You don't need to use any effects on the analogs, that they supposedly emulated, to make them sound great, that stuff is used only for mixing and mastering.


There certainly are very good plugins, brilliant plugins out there.

But when a company goes out of their way to trumpet every single plugin release, stating that they've made the most accurate emulation ever and when they have some of the lousiest most non-helpful support, a dead forum, and an iron will to never listen and act on the good advice of users who've bought their products and who also own the respective hardware, what more is there to say.

Then you have a handful of other companies who don't have the huge marketing that Arturia does, but that make incredible software. The choice is simple.

Infinitely better alternatives to Arturia's: Minimoog, ARP2600, MoogModular and CS80V
are MiniMonsta, TimewARP2600, VAZ Modular and ME80.

[GeeJee]

TimeWARP. Yesss.
Much better than Arturia. Have to agree on that one with Umph.

[Analog-Umph]

TimeWARP. Yesss.
Much better than Arturia. Have to agree on that one with Umph.

I'm building the ultimate Jarre patch library for that one for several years now. All the patches he used.
Turning out nicely.

On top of which I've got thousands of other patches for it. It's a rock solid workhorse of an analog emulation. It's doing everything I'd expect an ARP2600 to do. The developer is a great guy too.

BTW just spotted this: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=320125
It's either a Synthex or an Oberheim emulation.

[matt1314]

I'll give that TimeWARP a go, maybe it's better... I'll check the others, too.
And that probably Synthex emulation looks awesome! If it's like an enhanced Elka, it's a must buy for me.