Blah Blah Cafe, the Jean-Michel Jarre forum
Here in Sweden it is like no one have eyes to see with. It is always the same story...some child is sexually abused and the neighbours can hear the torment and see that this child is feeling bad in school. But teachers, the people that have legal rights to do things to imporve the situation is "blinded" by their own fear of loosing power and looking bad among others. It is always the same story, we don't believe that kids can tell the truth.Ronja wrote:Equin(00)xe...now I feel bit misunderstood...for me words "It's sad that there's no parenting-license" means nothing more than "it's sad that some people who NEVER should have children (and who even HAVEN"T wanted to have any) bring up some". I'm not saying about controollin anybody, it's ridicoulus...
And there's a HUGE difference between mistakes that every parent does, because it's natural that you learn during all child's life to be a parent, and mistakes, which make children not allowed to live normally, which takes them chance from the start.
There is a sentence: "Nobody had happy childhood" (I think it's some psychologist's sentence)...everyone can find mistakes of his parents, but there're mistakes and MISTAKES.
Tell me...would you sign the sentence "everybody should be a parent"? I wouldn't. But I have consciousness that from biological point of view nearly everybody can That is sad.
Referring to this case of murder...I totally agree that it'd lead to anything, I was just saying that my first instict as a mother would probably be to kill him. Which I didn't say is good.
But what I was really trying to say is that I noticed that many people here, in Poland, don't see any connections between someone's childhood and who he becomes later. I ment...take this murderer, who, according to what I believe in, couldn't be a normal, happy person (normal happy people don't kill). Probably (it's just an example there might not be the only reason) he was grown up brought up by father-alcoholic (alcoholism is a big problem here, where I live). For, let's say, 15 years of his life, nearly day by day, he was watching his drunk father beating his mother. (I'm not saying that every brutal alcoholics' child becomes a murder, not at all, just try to show probable reason of someone's problems with psychic).
My question was: do people, who watch such situations and do anything (and that's how many peole act, there's a stupid thinking that "these're family affairs") have moral right to lynch this murderer?
I have impression that in Poland there's lot of talking about young hooligans, about criminalists in general and so on, but no discussion about situation in families. People try to deal the results without knowing the reasons.
And believe me, it doesn't all look like in UK or Sweden - this country is even shown by journalist as the place where children are treated the best in Europe. Here's is still thinking that "family is saint", that "people shouldn't talk in public about family's problems"...it's changing but we still have to learn much.
Equin(00)xe wrote:
At such a Young age sometimes its hard to accept that perhaps this particular boy was "mentally developed" enough to murder yet still seen in society to be seen Immature enough to not understand his actions,those sorts of cases are rare,most impulsive situations of murder are not connected with systematic,or psychological trauma at such a young age,its true that maybe this boy had been influenced or scarred by his fathers actions,but i hardly think it was a timebomb waiting to go off,this young boy would hardly have been able to calculate or be aware of his emotional state to really understand the principle of his actions,but that doesnt mean its any less a reason to do it,it could have been prevented ,but again how can you predict it.but you could see it as a connection between his own trauma and why his murdered,that is always the first correlation.
But the murderer wasn't a teenager or a child..the victim was 9 year-old boy, but he was killed by an adult.
I also still have problems to express precisely what I think in English
Oh, thanx!Equin(00)xe wrote: Sounds pretty expressive and passionate from here...you project yourself quite well considering English is not your first language
And now you Equin(00)xe tell me that pareting classes could be a bad idea? You tell me that my suggestion about having a licence of parenting is just bad. Well let me tell you, I rather sav a child and hurt the adult then just simple tell me that "just because I have not had a child of my own I don't know anything about it".
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Why not? Do you see Tour De France riders give up because of rain?Synthesist wrote:The rain, I can't get my daily biking exercise.
I hope that's not the church where the choir rehearsed for the concertRonja wrote:That isn't really a thing which teases me, rather that makes me sad...the Saint Kate's church in Gdansk is now burning (reasons of fire not known yet)...it's a very old (first informations about it comes from 13th century) antique church..the roof has collapsed allready...and what's the worst thing there were some builders working there before the blaze started and there's no knowledge if they managed to run away...I'm quite sad about whole this thing
Yeah...but the church I've written about (Saint Katherina's church) was...is the oldest church in Gdansk and quite an important monument. Right now I've read that the roof is totally destroyed but the fire was finally put out, after 2 hours fight, and fortunately it seems there're no victims (although unofficial informations tells something about the guard from church's tower).GeeJee wrote: I hope that's not the church where the choir rehearsed for the concert
Oh.. now I remember it was called Saint Briggit's church... pphew
I am not giving up for that reason. In Tour De France, they have jackets when it starts raining and my jacket is gone for this seasonAnDrOiD wrote:Why not? Do you see Tour De France riders give up because of rain?Synthesist wrote:The rain, I can't get my daily biking exercise.
